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Chapter 8: The Objection Drawn from Reason Answered

Our translation, from the Latin of the Opera Omnia (Paris: Vivès, 1870–74), vol. II, De Conciliis (De Conciliorum Auctoritate), On Councils, Book II (of the controversy On Councils and the Church). The Latin source text is public domain; this English rendering is released with the site. Scripture quotations follow Bellarmine's Vulgate citations, rendered in Douay-Rheims wording where he quotes exactly. Click “Show the Latin” for the original (raw OCR of the scan; scanning errors remain — the scan itself is the authority).

Lastly they object this reason. In every assembly of a multitude it often happens that the greater part overcomes the better; therefore in the Councils of the Church, where all things are defined by the majority of votes, it may easily come about that error occurs. Next, granted that lawful Councils cannot err, yet who knows whether there was ever any lawful Council? For a Council is not lawful unless it be of faithful bishops; but who can know whether those who assemble in a Council have true faith and true ordination? Finally, that in the ancient Councils bishops assembled from many provinces, diligently examined the question proposed, then subscribed of their own accord, compelled by no external force, and did the other things of that kind which are required for lawful Councils — whence do we know this, except from the credit of the historians? But historians (the sacred ones excepted) not seldom lie, and certainly do not establish a firm and infallible faith. It remains, therefore, that the decrees of Councils are all doubtful.

We answer: in human assemblies it sometimes happens that the greater part overcomes the better; but in a Council of the Church, where the Holy Spirit presides, and where Christ is in the midst of those who are gathered in His name, and where He is present to whom it was said by Truth itself, “I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not, and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren” — there is no reason why any such thing should be feared. For even if the greater part resist the better, as happened in the Council of Ariminum and the Second of Ephesus, yet it never prevails; for the acts of Councils of that kind are soon annulled by him whose office it is to confirm the brethren, as we see was done in the aforesaid Councils of Ariminum and the Second of Ephesus.

To the second objection I answer: it is not necessary that we know the bishops who assemble at a Council to have true faith and true ordination, but it is enough if the contrary is not established. For even if the supreme Pontiff (which we believe cannot happen) and all the bishops who are convoked by the supreme Pontiff to some general Council were heretics in heart, and Catholics only by outward profession, and had not truly received the invisible character of sacred orders but a bare imposition of hands — yet we are certain that God would never permit a Council of that kind to err in framing its decrees. For the Holy Spirit assists the Council, not so much for the sake of the Council itself as for the sake of the universal Church, which is bound by divine precept not to discuss the sentence of the bishops but to venerate it. And so, lest the universal Church err, divine providence would bring it about that even that Council of pretended bishops would, willing or unwilling, propose the truest faith of the Church to be followed. Therefore, for an assembly of bishops to be lawful and to be so called, this alone is required: that those bishops assemble who ordinarily preside in the Church, and are openly held by all to be true and Catholic bishops — whatever be the case with the things that lie hidden in their hearts.

Yet because we not only know that the salvation of His Church is God’s care, but have also learned from the Scriptures that God’s providence disposes all things sweetly, therefore we certainly believe that God will not permit that in a Council which the Church believes to be lawful, the bishops who assemble should be, all or for the greater part, not lawful or not Catholic. For it would be exceedingly hard and violent (though not impossible to God, who once even rebuked the folly of a prophet by a beast) that a whole Council of heretics should, against its own will and opinion, frame a Catholic decree.

To the last objection some answer, as Vega does (on the Council of Trent, Book III, chapter 39): that a Council is lawful, and to be held by the faithful with Catholic faith, not because the historians testify it, but because the Council itself defined this; for Councils are wont, at the beginning of their acts, to define that their assembly is lawful and gathered in the Holy Spirit.

But truly this does not seem a solid answer. First, because the ancient Councils were not wont at the beginning to testify that their assembly was lawfully and in the Holy Spirit gathered; whereas certain later Councils, as Constance, Basel, the Lateran, Trent, and others, do indeed testify this, but not as though they were framing some decree of faith. For nowhere among the canons properly so called is found any canon of a Council by which it is defined that that very Council, by which those canons were established, is lawful. Secondly, either it is established to us from elsewhere that some Council was lawful when it wished to define that it was lawful, or it is not established. If it is established, such a decree is framed in vain; if it is not established, we shall now begin to doubt about the decree itself; for if I am in doubt whether it was a lawful Council before it defined itself to be lawful, I am also in doubt whether it did not err in that very decree by which it pronounced itself lawful.

Others therefore answer that a Council’s being lawful can be evident, without any other proof, to those who are then present. For they see that the bishops assembled in one place are held by all to be true bishops, and assembled from various provinces, and summoned by him who has authority; and if anything else is required for a lawful Council, that too they can see, for nothing invisible, as we said above, is required. But to posterity, or to the absent, this same is known from human faith — but a most certain faith, and one that can in some way be compared with natural evidence. For, by way of example, that the Council of Nicaea was lawful, not one or another historian testifies, but many and various writers of that time and of the following times, and the Church which now is asserts the same; nor is there, or was there, anyone who thinks or thought the contrary.

Wherefore, just as that Cicero was once Consul, that Julius Caesar was Dictator, that Octavian fought a naval battle with Antony, and other things of that kind, though they depend on human faith, are yet so certain that they seem to have a certain evidence; so also the Councils of the Church which we say were lawful have so many testimonies of all ages that they leave no doubt in our minds but that we believe them to have been such as they are said to be.

Wherefore, since from Catholic faith we hold that lawful Councils confirmed by the supreme Pontiff cannot err, and from natural evidence, or from a most certain human faith, we know that the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, the First of Ephesus, and other lawful ones of that kind were approved by the supreme Pontiff, it certainly follows that we believe the decrees of such Councils with a certain faith. See, if you please, on this matter Melchior Cano (Book VI On the Places, last chapter, in the solution of the tenth argument).

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CAPUT  IX.


Solvitur  objectio ,  ducta  ex  ratione.

Objiciunt  postremo  eam  rationem.  In  omni
coetu  multitudinis  saepe  accidit  ut  major  pars
vincat  meliorem,  igitur  in  Conciliis  Eccle¬
siae,  ubi  definiuntur  omnia  ad  plura  suffra¬
gia,  facile  fieri  poterit,  ut  contingat  error.
Deinde  esto.  Concilia  legitima  non  possint
errare,  tamen  quis  novit,  an  ullum  fuerit  un¬
quam  legitimum  Concilium  ?  Nec  enim  est
Concilium  legitimum,  nisi  Episcoporum  fide¬
lium  ;  quis  autem  scire  potest,  an  qui  in  Con¬
cilio  conveniunt,  habeant  veram  fidem,  et
veram  ordinationem  ?  Denique,  in  antiquis
Conciliis  convenisse  Episcopos  ex  multis
provinciis,  quaestionem  propositam  diligen¬
ter  examinasse,  subscripsisse  deinde  sponte
sua,  non  aliqua  vi  externa  coactos,  et  alia
ejusdem  generis  fecisse,  quae  requiruntur
ad  legitima  Concilia ,  unde  novimus,  nisi  ex
fide  historicorum?  At  historici  (divinis  ex¬
ceptis)  non  raro  mentiuntur,  et  certe  non  fir¬
mam  et  infallibilem  fidem  faciunt.  Restat
igitur,  ut  Conciliorum  decreta  sint  omnia
dubia.

Respondemus,  in  coetibus  humanis  ali¬
quando  id  accidere,  ut  major  pars  vincat
meliorem  :  in  Concilio  autem  Ecclesiae,  ubi
Spiritus  sanctus  praesidet :  et  ubi  Christus
est  in  medio  eorum,  qui  in  nomine  ipsius
congregati  sunt,  et  ubi  ille  adest,  cui  dictum

(1)  Lue.  XXII,  32.

Tom.  II.


est  ab  ipsa  Veritate  :  Rogavi  pro  te ,  ut  non
defciat  fides  tua,  et  tu  aliquando  conversus,
confirma  fratres  tuos  (I),  non  est,  quod  tale
aliquid  timeatur.  Nam  etiamsi  major  pars
resistat  meliori ;  ut  factum  est  in  Concilio
Ariminensi,  etEphesino  II,  tamen  nunquam
vincit;  mox  enim  irritantur  ejusmodi  Con¬
ciliorum  acta  ab  eo,  cui  convenit  ex  officio
fratres  confirmare,  quemadmodum  in  prae¬
dictis  Conciliis  Ariminensi  et  Ephesino  II,
factum  videmus.

Ad  alteram  objectionem  respondeo,  non
esse  necessarium,  ut  sciamus  Episcopos,  qui
ad  Concilium  conveniunt,  habere  veram  fi¬
dem,  et  veram  ordinationem,  sed  satis  esse,
si  non  constet  contrarium.  Nam  etiam  si
summus  Pontifex,  quod  fieri  non  posse  credi¬
mus,  et  omnes  Episcopi,  qui  ad  aliquod  gene¬
rale  Concilium  a  summo  Pontifice  convo¬
cantur,  essent  corde  haeretici ;  et  sola  exter¬
na  professione  Catholici,  nec  vere  accepis¬
sent  sacri  ordinis  invisibilem  characterem,
sed  nudam  impositionem  manuum;  tamen
certi  sumus,  Deum  nunquam  permissurum,
ut  ejusmodi  Concilium  in  decretis  suis  for¬
mandis  erraret :  Assistit  enim  Concilio  Spi¬
ritus  sanctus  ,  non  tam  propter  ipsum
Concilium,  quam  propter  Ecclesiam  univer¬
sam,  quae  divino  praecepto  tenetur,  Episco¬
porum  sententiam  non  discutere,  sed  vene¬
rari.  Itaque  ne  erraret  Ecclesia  universa,  di¬
vina  providentia  faceret,  ut  etiam  Concilium
illud  Episcoporum  fictorum,  vellet,  nollet,
verissimam  fidem  Ecclesiae  sequendam  pro¬
poneret.  Proinde,  ut  conventus  aliquis  Epis¬
coporum  legitimus  sit,  et  dicatur  ;  id  solum
requiritur,  ut  Episcopi  illi  conveniant,  qui  in
Ecclesia  ordinarie  praesident,  et  Episcopi  ve¬
ri,  atque  Catholici  palam  ab  omnibus  habe¬
antur,  quidquid  sit  de  iis,  quae  in  cordibus
eorum  latent.

Quia  tamen  non  solum  scimus  Deo  curae
esse  salutem  Ecclesiae  suae,  sed  etiam  ex
Scripturis  didicimus,  Dei  providentiam  sua¬
viter  omnia  disponere  :  propterea  certo  cre¬
dimus,  Deum  non  permissurum,  ut  in  Conci¬
lio,  quod  ab  Ecclesia  legitimum  creditur,
conveniant  Episcopi,  aut  omnes,  aut  pro  ma-
jori  parte  non  legitimi,  aut  non  Catholici.
Esset  enim  vehementer  durum  ac  violentum
(etsi  non  impossibile  Deo,  qui  etiam  per  ju¬
mentum  aliquando  corripuit  Prophetae  insi¬
pientiam)  ut  Concilium  totum  haereticorum,








repugnante  voluntate  ac  sententia,  decretum
Catholicum  conderet.

Ad  postremam  objectionem  quidam  res¬
pondent,  ut  Vega  in  Cone.  Trid.  lib.  III,
cap.  39.  Concilium  esse  legitimum,  fide  Ca¬
tholica  teneri  a  fidelibus,  non  quia  id  histo¬
rici  testantur,  sed  quia  ipsum  Concilium  hoc
definivit ;  solent  enim  Concilia  initio  acto¬
rum  definire,  suum  conventum  esse  legiti¬
mum,  et  in  Spiritu  sancto  congregatum.

At  profecto  non  videtur  haec  solida  res¬
ponsio  ;  primum,  quia  vetera  Concilia  non
solebant  initio  testari,  suum  conventum  esse
legitime,  et  in  Spiritu  sancto  congregatum  ;
Concilia  vero  quaedam  posteriora,  ut  Cons-
tantiense,  Basileense,  Lateranense,  Triden-
tinum  et  alia,  id  quidem  testantur,  sed  non
tanquam  decretum  aliquod  forment  de  fide.
Nusquam  enim  invenitur  inter  canones  pro¬
prie  dictos,  alicujus  Concilii  aliquis  canon,
quo  definiantur  illud  ipsum  Concilium  esse
legitimum,  a  quo  canones  illi  conditi  sunt.
Secundo,  aut  constat  nobis  aliunde  Conci¬
lium  aliquod  fuisse  legitimum,  dum  definire
vellet,  se  esse  legitimum,  aut  non  constat.
Si  constat,  frustra  conditur  tale  decretum  ;
si  non  constat,  jam  de  ipso  decreto  dubitare
incipiemus  ;  si  enim  ambigo,  an  fuerit  legi¬
timum  Concilium  antequam  definiret  se  esse
legitimum,  ambigo  etiam,  an  non  erraverit
in  eo  ipso  decreto,  quo  se  legitimum  esse
pronuntiavit.

Alii  igitur  respondent,  Concilium  aliquod
esse  legitimum,  iis,  qui  tunc  adsunt  praesen¬
tes,  evidens  esse  posse  sine  alia  probatione.
Vident  enim  convenisse  in  unum  Episcopos,
qui  habentur  ab  omnibus  veri  Episcopi  ,  et
convenisse  ex  variis  provinciis,  et  vocatos
ab  eo,  qui  habet  auctoritatem,  et  si  quid  ali¬
quid  requiratur  ad  legitimum  Concilium,  id
etiam  videre  possunt,  nihil  enim  invisibile,
ut  supra  diximus,  requiritur.  Posteris  autem
vel  absentibus,  id  ipsum  est  notum  ex  huma¬
na  fide,  sed  certissima,  et  quae  evidentiae
naturali  aliquo  modo  comparari  possit.  Nam
exempli  gratia,  Nicaenum  Concilium  fuisse
legitimum,  non  solum  unus  aut  alter  histo¬
ricus  testatur,  sed  multi  et  varii  scriptores
ejus  temporis,  et  temporum  consequentium,
et  Ecclesia,  quae  nuuc  est,  idipsum  asserit,
nec  est,  aut  fuit,  qui  contrarium  sentiat,  aut
senserit.

Quare  quemadmodum  fuisse  quondam  Con¬
sulem  Ciceronem,  Julium  Caesarem  Dictato¬
rem,  Qclavianum  cum  Antonio  proelio  nava¬


li  decertasse,  et  alia  id  genus,  etsi  ex  fide
humana  pendeat,  tamen  adeo  certa  sunt,  ut
evidentiam  quamdam  habere  videantur :  Sip
etiam  Concilia  Ecclesiae,  quae  nos  legitima
fuisse  dicimus,  tot  habent  testimonia  om¬
nium  aetatum,  ut  nihil  dubitationis  in  animis
nostris  relinquant  quo  minus  credamus,  talia
fuisse,  qualia  dicuntur.

Qaare  cum  ex  fide  Catholica  habeamus,
Concilia  legitima  a  summo  Pontifice  confir¬
mata,  non  posse  errare,  et  ex  naturali  evi¬
dentia,  aut  ex  fide  humana  certissima  scia¬
mus,  Concilium  Nicsenum,  Constantinopoli-
tanum,  Ephesimum  I  et  alia  ejusmodi  legiti¬
ma,  et  a  summo  Pontifice  approbata  fuisse,
id  certe  sequitur,  ut  hujusmodi  Conciliorum
decreta  certa  fide  credamus.  Vide,  si  placet,
de  hac  re  Melchiorem  Canum  lib.  VI  de  locis
cap.  ult.  in  solutione  decimi  argumenti.
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